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  • #76
    Originally posted by leeraymond View Post
    I have one question? John Brannen grew up in Northern Kentucky. He knows about UC's defensive and rebounding tradition. Brannen's past teams at NKU have been offensive teams. That is what he believes is the key to winning basketball games. Why in heaven's name would he take the Cincinnati job if his emphasis is not on the defensive side of the ball? In every loss this season except for one game, UC gave up 70 or more points. Check it out for yourself. Going forward, no matter what players he brings in, if Brannen does not become a MUCH BETTER defensive coach he will not be at UC long. Also, maybe it is time for Brannen to re-evaluate his assistant coaches; especially his big man coach.
    Defense is a coaches style, not a school tradition. Huggs and Mick bought into it as the best way to win at UC. They typically couldn't recruit the 4 or 5 star players so they took the 3 star kind of guys who had a hard nose tough work ethic and won by playing defense. They gave up only 60 points per game and had enough offense to win. Brannens style was a free flowing offense with scoring from many angles. Its not wrong, just different from his predecessors. Bohn signed on with his eyes open. There is nothing wrong with giving up 70 pts per game, especially in todays game, as long as you score 75-80 yourself. That was the theory. Offense is a much more appealing recruiting tactic to todays kids and theoretically easier to bring in. The problem is, as you say, our defense has suffered but our offense is our main failure to step up and fulfil the plan. You can't fail at both and expect to win. Is the offense coming? Is the defense gonna get better? These are the questions still facing the transition to the new coach. The signs currently don't indicate they are as we have no recruits committed. There is currently a short term fix available with the use of todays portal but that door swings both ways. We can only wait and see and hope. We will know soon enough but we don't know yet.

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    • #77
      Originally posted by leeraymond View Post
      I have one question? John Brannen grew up in Northern Kentucky. He knows about UC's defensive and rebounding tradition. Brannen's past teams at NKU have been offensive teams. That is what he believes is the key to winning basketball games. Why in heaven's name would he take the Cincinnati job if his emphasis is not on the defensive side of the ball? In every loss this season except for one game, UC gave up 70 or more points. Check it out for yourself. Going forward, no matter what players he brings in, if Brannen does not become a MUCH BETTER defensive coach he will not be at UC long. Also, maybe it is time for Brannen to re-evaluate his assistant coaches; especially his big man coach.
      That's like saying Nick Saban can't change focus to an offensive juggernaut from defense. No school or coach is locked into one thing. If UC is a "defensive school", why weren't we a top defense under Yates of Gale? Because it was a Huggins thing and Mick is a Huggins disciple. Brannen is different. The team is young, and the senior leadership is inconsistent or missing. I expected Keith to flourish in this system and don't understand why he isn't. I understand a lack of recruits signed isn't a good sign and I am pessimistic about that too, but Brannen isn't on the hot seat nor should we ask him to change his coaching philosophy. If it works out, great. If not, his seat will get hot next year and burning hot in year 4. Year two, with only 2 seniors and four opt outs, he gets a pass.
      Red and Black are more of an Attitude than merely a color combination.

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      • #78
        Originally posted by swilsonsp4 View Post

        MIke Bohn hired Brannen, supposedly after a search.
        I know and he quickly left leaving that choice to the next man up/
        Last edited by leo from jersey; 02-22-2021, 09:07 AM.

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        • #79
          Originally posted by RedDog View Post

          Defense is a coaches style, not a school tradition. Huggs and Mick bought into it as the best way to win at UC. They typically couldn't recruit the 4 or 5 star players so they took the 3 star kind of guys who had a hard nose tough work ethic and won by playing defense. They gave up only 60 points per game and had enough offense to win. Brannens style was a free flowing offense with scoring from many angles. Its not wrong, just different from his predecessors. Bohn signed on with his eyes open. There is nothing wrong with giving up 70 pts per game, especially in todays game, as long as you score 75-80 yourself. That was the theory. Offense is a much more appealing recruiting tactic to todays kids and theoretically easier to bring in. The problem is, as you say, our defense has suffered but our offense is our main failure to step up and fulfil the plan. You can't fail at both and expect to win. Is the offense coming? Is the defense gonna get better? These are the questions still facing the transition to the new coach. The signs currently don't indicate they are as we have no recruits committed. There is currently a short term fix available with the use of todays portal but that door swings both ways. We can only wait and see and hope. We will know soon enough but we don't know yet.
          UC had the offense with the Big O(actually great defense and rebounding). When he left, the Coach (Ed Jucker) won with pressure defense from his full court, at times, defense and his all the time pressure defense. He used Thom Thacker and Tony Yates to apply that pressure. The result was two National championships. Yes it is a major UC tradition. You are right it is the coach's style and I would be happy with offense, if it was currently a winning style. Or even a style that offers future hope.

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          • #80
            Crap Leo....that was 70 years ago!!! C'mon man! Think in general terms, don't search the archives for the occasional exception. Sure I can list a few exceptions too but it doesn't outweigh the prevailing tendencies.

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            • #81
              Originally posted by red_n_black_attack View Post

              That's like saying Nick Saban can't change focus to an offensive juggernaut from defense. No school or coach is locked into one thing. If UC is a "defensive school", why weren't we a top defense under Yates of Gale? Because it was a Huggins thing and Mick is a Huggins disciple. Brannen is different. The team is young, and the senior leadership is inconsistent or missing. I expected Keith to flourish in this system and don't understand why he isn't. I understand a lack of recruits signed isn't a good sign and I am pessimistic about that too, but Brannen isn't on the hot seat nor should we ask him to change his coaching philosophy. If it works out, great. If not, his seat will get hot next year and burning hot in year 4. Year two, with only 2 seniors and four opt outs, he gets a pass.
              I saw Michigan win with the star player being a frosh and a couple of their guards being frosh and one sophomore. I would easily give a pass, but he had another senior transfer who opted out and couldn't play a lick. He didn't use the portal to the team's advantage and the reasons are still not known why players left. He is getting a lot of excuses.

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              • #82
                Originally posted by RedDog View Post
                Crap Leo....that was 70 years ago!!! C'mon man! Think in general terms, don't search the archives for the occasional exception. Sure I can list a few exceptions too but it doesn't outweigh the prevailing tendencies.
                Tradition doesn't have time restrictions. It is tradition. Look up what tradition means please. The only archives searched was my personal memories.
                Tradition =
                the transmission of customs or beliefs from generation to generation, or the fact of being passed on in this way.

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                • #83
                  a national championship or two I guess is the exception today. That is the UC tradition I know.

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                  • #84
                    So something that happened 60 years ago, the best team we ever had and could never repeat, was past on from generation to generation? I don't think they mean your lifetime to your next generation which is the argument you are applying. What we are talking about is basically recruiting class or era to recruiting class. We have good tradition for sure but your argument only shows your age, not relevance. Love your spirit man but todays kids are looking to play some offense, right or wrong. Again, our problem is we are playing offense OR defense. At least we have to pick one and preferably both.

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by RedDog View Post
                      So something that happened 60 years ago, the best team we ever had and could never repeat, was past on from generation to generation? I don't think they mean your lifetime to your next generation which is the argument you are applying. What we are talking about is basically recruiting class or era to recruiting class. We have good tradition for sure but your argument only shows your age, not relevance. Love your spirit man but todays kids are looking to play some offense, right or wrong. Again, our problem is we are playing offense OR defense. At least we have to pick one and preferably both.
                      Do you realize the time between those National champions to Hugigns final 4 and today is all 30 years. Plus you are changing the subject from the definition of traditions to your subjective view of why it isn't UC tradition . Actually you went into why the team is losing instead of tradition, That is a switching of subjects. Do they still teach Principals of debate at UC? Or is that a tradition that is just an exception. Please address the subject which we were speaking on. We were talking about the WINNING TRADITION of the Bearcats and what tradition is.

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                      • #86
                        To be honest CBJ has brought in some pretty alright recruits, I just don't see his coaching putting them in the best positions to win. The way he substitutes looking for a spark is not easy to watch.
                        it just takes too long for him to adjust it seems to the season knowing where his players fit and when they should be out on the floor and with which rotation.
                        If your looking to create a culture or certain energy, why interchange the lineup every week and not play the most game experienced and capable players?
                        Why play an unorthodox lineup when you have the players to be normal unless your really creating a scheme for a specific team or game plan?
                        Davenport should be playing his natural position and so should Williams. Instead of playing SF when we had two in Davenport and Harvey.
                        Mika Adams should have been coming off the the bench with how poised and intelligent he has shown to play if Dejulius was taking the starting PG role. Playing behind Williams if need be to help provide game experience to Saunders in the second rotation.
                        CBJ seems to be trying to push certain players with Minutes Motivation which is backfiring. Diarra was the first and left the team and now Harvey. The team is hurting as a result and the record is just one sign. The way the team unravels is another, with the fight leaving well before the last whistle.

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by leo from jersey View Post

                          I saw Michigan win with the star player being a frosh and a couple of their guards being frosh and one sophomore. I would easily give a pass, but he had another senior transfer who opted out and couldn't play a lick. He didn't use the portal to the team's advantage and the reasons are still not known why players left. He is getting a lot of excuses.
                          We all see that when they get the best recruits. I'll take the guys who want to be here and work hard. In recruiting, there will be some misses. Either a recruit didn't pan out the way we hoped for one reason or another, a la Harvey, or recruits to whom UC was second choice. Brannen is trying to balance the classes and you can't blame him for missing out on recruits who have a longer history with the school they ultimately chose. If this were year 3/4, his seat would be warm/hot. Brannen is doing better his first two years than Mick, even if no Big East level competition. Mick didn't even have a winning record until year 3 (18-14) and was still 9th in the league that year. I am not giving Brannen a pass (I misspoke earlier). Rather, I am being patient and monitoring the progress of lack thereof.
                          Red and Black are more of an Attitude than merely a color combination.

                          Intimidate! Dominate! Celebrate!

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by red_n_black_attack View Post

                            We all see that when they get the best recruits. I'll take the guys who want to be here and work hard. In recruiting, there will be some misses. Either a recruit didn't pan out the way we hoped for one reason or another, a la Harvey, or recruits to whom UC was second choice. Brannen is trying to balance the classes and you can't blame him for missing out on recruits who have a longer history with the school they ultimately chose. If this were year 3/4, his seat would be warm/hot. Brannen is doing better his first two years than Mick, even if no Big East level competition. Mick didn't even have a winning record until year 3 (18-14) and was still 9th in the league that year. I am not giving Brannen a pass (I misspoke earlier). Rather, I am being patient and monitoring the progress of lack thereof.
                            Either find a way to succeed or make one." – Suzie Hoyt, Double-Goal Coach® Award Winner, 2017

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                            • #89
                              OMG Leo! There is no reasoning with you - I am going out to cut the grass before my head explodes.

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by leo from jersey View Post

                                Either find a way to succeed or make one." – Suzie Hoyt, Double-Goal Coach® Award Winner, 2017
                                Brannen is making one. These transitions take time or were you calling for the firing of Huggins in 1991 or Mick in 2007? Neither coach made the NCAA tourney in year 1 or in year 2. We all know the great team Huggy had in year 3, but Mick didn't make Tourny until year 4. Brannen gets at least as long as Mick got.

                                Olive branch: Yes, yesterday's loss to Houston was embarrassing and un-like the Bearcats we expect. However, we cannot put unrealistic expectations on our year 2 coach.
                                Red and Black are more of an Attitude than merely a color combination.

                                Intimidate! Dominate! Celebrate!

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