Re: NCAA Tournament Failures?

[Brent Wyrick]

I've always hated the "never beat a higher seed argument".

1) We were seeded fairly high in some years and kept losing to lower seeded
teams before we could get to a higher seeded one.

2) You're not SUPPOSED to beat a higher seeded team. The seeding process is
done for a reason. 


-----Original Message-----
From: address@hidden
[mailto:address@hidden On Behalf Of Jonathan Breiner
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 5:21 PM
To: UC Basketball Forum
Subject: Re: [UC Basketball] NCAA Tournament Failures?

Nathan, Can you tell me how many opportunities he had to upset someone when 
it mattered most?

Jon


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nathan Allen" <address@hidden>
To: "UC Basketball Forum" <address@hidden>
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: [UC Basketball] NCAA Tournament Failures?


> Maybe this was posted in this thread already and I missed it, but to me, 
> the
> main reason that UC never made deeper runs in the tournament was the fact
> that in all of Hugg's years, he NEVER beat a team in the tourney that was 
> a
> higher seed.  Unless you are a Duke/Carolina/Kentucky that will be a No 1 
> or
> 2 seed virtually every year, you have to be able to pull an upset or two 
> to
> make it to the elite 8 (or depending on your seed, the sweet 16).  As good

> a
> coach as Huggs was, I never could understand why his teams were completely
> incapable of upsetting someone when it mattered most.
>
> On 10/30/06, Holdheide, Brad <address@hidden> wrote:
> > Don't agree with that assessment.  UC lost to a Tulsa team which was
> > somehow
> > a 7 seed despite finishing 16th in the AP and 8th in the RPI. It's hard 
> > to
> > revamp your entire offense and defense in 1 week after losing the 
> > national
> > player of the year considering the whole scheme of the offense and 
> > defense
> > are built around that player.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: address@hidden
> > [mailto:address@hidden On Behalf Of Zahid Siddiqi
> > Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 12:55 PM
> > To: UC Basketball Forum
> > Subject: Re: [UC Basketball] NCAA Tournament Failures?
> >
> > "good odds for" falls grossly short in my opinion.
> >
> > And in my opinion, 2000 was the worst performance under Huggins and by
> > Huggins and his staff.  That team was LOADED with talent aside from 
> > Kenyon
> > -
> > Dermarr Johnson, Kenny Satterfied, Steve Logan, Leonard Stokes, Pete
> > Mickeal, Ryan Fletcher, Jermaine Tate, BJ Grove, Donald
> > Little.  Admittedly,
> > none of those players were near the caliber of Kenyon at that time, but
> > collectively, they should have each been able to accomplish more than
> > another second round loss.
> >
> > Dan Marshall <address@hidden> wrote:
> > If you want to go there. We could say that UC Should have been in the
> > championship game in 92 but we lost to a bunch of cheaters... Had they 
> > had
> > the oppportunity and but for a broken leg we realistically had good odds
> > for
> > 2 NC's during those 14 years...
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: address@hidden
> > [mailto:address@hidden On Behalf Of Zahid Siddiqi
> > Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 7:29 PM
> > To: UC Basketball Forum
> > Subject: Re: [UC Basketball] NCAA Tournament Failures?
> >
> > And every school you just mentioned won at least one national 
> > championship
> > during those same 14 years. All made the final 4 more often than UC 
> > during
> > those 15 years.
> >
> > address@hidden wrote: I'll try this one more time.
> >
> > UC made 3 Elite 8 appearances and 4 Sweet 16 appearances (plus won at
> > least
> > 1 NCAA game 12 times) in 14 years. In those same 14 years, fewer than 10
> > programs did any better at any of those 3 accomplishments.
> >
> > Schools like Duke, North Carolina, Connecticut, and Syracuse missed the
> > NCAA
> > at least once during that timeframe.
> >
> > UC historically is a Top 20 program in terms of Most W and Best W-L (%)
> > Record per NCAA stats.
> >
> > UC ranked 7th best in those 2 categories since 1990.
> >
> > Tom Gray, Bearcat fan since 1958