Re: Time Warner is not the problem

[richard l. kandell]

Keith - I want to still be alive when UC football fans are "forced" to buy
basketball tickets (to the men's or women's programs) in order to get in to
see the #1 ranked Bearcat football team.  It should only happen.

Richard K.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Keith Wedinger" <address@hidden>
To: "UC Basketball Forum" <address@hidden>
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: [UC Basketball] Time Warner is not the problem


> There is absolutely nothing wrong with supporting the football team but
that
> support should stand on its own.  It should not be forced upon basketball
> fans.  Conversely, football fans should not be compelled to buy basketball
> tickets if they don't want them.
>
> On 10/3/06, Justin Register <address@hidden> wrote:
> > What's wrong with supporting the football team too?  I go to every home
> > game.  They need fans!!!!
> >
> > On 10/3/06, Keith Wedinger <address@hidden> wrote:
> > > Dan,
> > >
> > > Thanks for pointing this out...I almost forgot about that one.  My
wife
> > > and
> > > I used to have basketball season tickets and having to purchase
football
> > > tickets was one of the reasons we gave them up.  It simply cost too
much
> > > to
> > > buy both.
> > >
> > > On 10/3/06, Dan Marshall <address@hidden> wrote:
> > > > It's because they MADE us buy football :)
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: address@hidden
> > > > [mailto:address@hidden On Behalf Of Keith Wedinger
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 2:38 PM
> > > > To: UC Basketball Forum
> > > > Subject: Re: [UC Basketball] Time Warner is not the problem
> > > >
> > > > Before someone chimes in with, "we don't sell out because Huggins is
> > not
> > > > the
> > > > coach", let me remind everyone that UC has not regularly sold out
5/3
> > > > Arena
> > > > since Kenyon Martin's senior season.  That's almost 6 years ago.
> > > >
> > > > I know that their have been several threads on this forum discussing
> > why
> > > > this is so (i.e. why don't fans come out to the games).  Many have
> > > focused
> > > > on the uncomfortable bench seats in the upper deck which is
certainly
> > a
> > > > contributing factor.  I think the widespread TV coverage of the
> > Bearcats
> > > > is
> > > > also a contributing factor (why go to the game and spend $100 to
$200
> > on
> > > > tickets and concessions when I can watch the game at home).  Another
> > > > factor
> > > > is the lack of big name opponents during the non-conference
> > > schedule.  It
> > > > is
> > > > tough to get excited about playing directional schools.
> > > >
> > > > On 10/3/06, Holdheide, Brad <address@hidden> wrote:
> > > > > 13,000 is not the problem.  The real problem lies with actually
> > > > > getting people to the games and selling out the arena.  Complain
all
> > > > > you want about seating quality and such, Syracuse puts over 22,000
> > > > > people in their arena every game and the nose bleed seats there
are
> > > > > much worse than anything at UC.
> > > > >
> > > > > If UC sold out every game to average 13,176 that would put them
16th
> > > > > overall across the country and only behind 2 Big East teams,
> > Syracuse
> > > > > and UConn (barely behind UConn).  A packed house of 13,000+ fans
who
> > > > > are loud and raucous to go along with our practice facilities is
> > more
> > > > > than enough to impress a top recruit.  But what we have is 11,000
> > fans
> > > > > who only get loud for 1 or 2 big games a year.
> > > > >
> > > > > I say the fans are to blame, not the arena.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: address@hidden
> > > > > [mailto:address@hidden On Behalf Of Dan Marshall
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 2:19 PM
> > > > > To: 'UC Basketball Forum'
> > > > > Subject: Re: [UC Basketball] Time Warner is not the problem
> > > > >
> > > > > I realize the practice facilities are top notch... (although our
> > guys
> > > > > should be in class not doing extra practice...)
> > > > >
> > > > > But still, if I'm a player... 13,000? 30,000?
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: address@hidden
> > > > > [mailto:address@hidden On Behalf Of Tom Carter
> > > > > Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 11:00 PM
> > > > > To: UC Basketball Forum
> > > > > Subject: Re: [UC Basketball] Time Warner is not the problem
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm sorry to have to challenge your statement that we only have
our
> > > > > 13,000 plus multi-purpose facility,  having spent several hours
> > > > > touring "The Richard Lindner Center" I can tell you this facility
is
> > a
> > > > > world class facility and that 4 floors below the "green space"
> > between
> > > > > the baseball field and Nippert is a full court basketball court
> > > > > facility that Mick loves and the kids will use regularly. This
> > > > > athletic facility is second to none, in or out of the big east!
> > > > >
> > > > >   Bob was given a chance and we are better for it and we should
> > stand
> > > > > by this team and coach Cronin and things might just work out!  Not
> > > > > without some hiccups to be sure, but with the thought that it's a
> > new
> > > > > era and this team, head coach and the university should get our
> > > > > support! It has mine!
> > > > >
> > > > >   Tom Carter, a bearcat fan since 1960!
> > > > >
> > > > > Dan Marshall <address@hidden> wrote:
> > > > >   The point is this, you have to remember now we compete with all
> > the
> > > > > other Big East teams for recruiting, before we only really
competed
> > > > > with the CUSA teams for the Non All Americans... We barely won in
> > > > > that, now we compete with the big guys,
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't know how someone can think that a first year coach with a
> > > > > Small arena, and limited nat tv coverage can compete with
Syracuse,
> > > > > UCONN, Louisville, et al.
> > > > >
> > > > > It doesn't make sense to say that we have an advantage... Before
we
> > > > > had the advantage of being at the top of our league, the mid to
> > bottom
> > > > > of the league will not get better recruits than the top of the
> > CUSA...
> > > > > All the good ones will choose a Big East team that offers more.
> > > > >
> > > > > Also what "New 'physincilities' (I assume you mean facilities) Do
we
> > > > > have for Basketball? It's the same 13,000+ Multi purpose arena.
> > > > >
> > > > > What's tiresome is blind optimism, I'm interested in a solution as
> > > > > well, but blind, ignore the facts optimism will not get us to a
> > > > > solution
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: address@hidden
> > > > > [mailto:address@hidden On Behalf Of
> > > > > address@hidden
> > > > > Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 12:20 PM
> > > > > To: address@hidden
> > > > > Subject: Re: [UC Basketball] Time Warner is not the problem
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > In a message dated 9/28/2006 4:39:37 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> > > > > address@hidden writes:
> > > > >
> > > > > It's going to be a lot more difficult to "rebuild" in the Big east
> > > > > than it was in CUSA
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Disagree totally, new physicilities everywhere, one of the top 3
> > > > > basketball conferences in the country, good, young, well respected
> > > > > basketball coach that has proven for years he can recruit with
> > anyone.
> > > > > I think he did well this year with a couple weeks to work with. In
> > the
> > > > > next couple years he will bring in big time recruits.
> > > > > I hated what happened to Coach Huggins and thought for sure he
would
> > > > > get an opportunity to coach in the Big East but, much of the off
> > court
> > > > > problems (his and his players) were his responsibility. His
removal
> > > > > for image problems is not a surprise to many in the know. The
> > die-hard
> > > > > "we won't be sh--t without Huggins" and it's all Zimpher's fault
is
> > > > > very tiresome.
> > > > >
> > > > > Logan
> > > >
> > > >
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