Re: Time Warner is not the problem

[Dan Marshall]

It's because they MADE us buy football :) 

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From: address@hidden
[mailto:address@hidden On Behalf Of Keith Wedinger
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 2:38 PM
To: UC Basketball Forum
Subject: Re: [UC Basketball] Time Warner is not the problem

Before someone chimes in with, "we don't sell out because Huggins is not the
coach", let me remind everyone that UC has not regularly sold out 5/3 Arena
since Kenyon Martin's senior season.  That's almost 6 years ago.

I know that their have been several threads on this forum discussing why
this is so (i.e. why don't fans come out to the games).  Many have focused
on the uncomfortable bench seats in the upper deck which is certainly a
contributing factor.  I think the widespread TV coverage of the Bearcats is
also a contributing factor (why go to the game and spend $100 to $200 on
tickets and concessions when I can watch the game at home).  Another factor
is the lack of big name opponents during the non-conference schedule.  It is
tough to get excited about playing directional schools.

On 10/3/06, Holdheide, Brad <address@hidden> wrote:
> 13,000 is not the problem.  The real problem lies with actually 
> getting people to the games and selling out the arena.  Complain all 
> you want about seating quality and such, Syracuse puts over 22,000 
> people in their arena every game and the nose bleed seats there are 
> much worse than anything at UC.
>
> If UC sold out every game to average 13,176 that would put them 16th 
> overall across the country and only behind 2 Big East teams, Syracuse 
> and UConn (barely behind UConn).  A packed house of 13,000+ fans who 
> are loud and raucous to go along with our practice facilities is more 
> than enough to impress a top recruit.  But what we have is 11,000 fans 
> who only get loud for 1 or 2 big games a year.
>
> I say the fans are to blame, not the arena.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: address@hidden
> [mailto:address@hidden On Behalf Of Dan Marshall
> Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 2:19 PM
> To: 'UC Basketball Forum'
> Subject: Re: [UC Basketball] Time Warner is not the problem
>
> I realize the practice facilities are top notch... (although our guys 
> should be in class not doing extra practice...)
>
> But still, if I'm a player... 13,000? 30,000?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: address@hidden
> [mailto:address@hidden On Behalf Of Tom Carter
> Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 11:00 PM
> To: UC Basketball Forum
> Subject: Re: [UC Basketball] Time Warner is not the problem
>
> I'm sorry to have to challenge your statement that we only have our 
> 13,000 plus multi-purpose facility,  having spent several hours 
> touring "The Richard Lindner Center" I can tell you this facility is a 
> world class facility and that 4 floors below the "green space" between 
> the baseball field and Nippert is a full court basketball court 
> facility that Mick loves and the kids will use regularly. This 
> athletic facility is second to none, in or out of the big east!
>
>   Bob was given a chance and we are better for it and we should stand 
> by this team and coach Cronin and things might just work out!  Not 
> without some hiccups to be sure, but with the thought that it's a new 
> era and this team, head coach and the university should get our 
> support! It has mine!
>
>   Tom Carter, a bearcat fan since 1960!
>
> Dan Marshall <address@hidden> wrote:
>   The point is this, you have to remember now we compete with all the 
> other Big East teams for recruiting, before we only really competed 
> with the CUSA teams for the Non All Americans... We barely won in 
> that, now we compete with the big guys,
>
> I don't know how someone can think that a first year coach with a 
> Small arena, and limited nat tv coverage can compete with Syracuse, 
> UCONN, Louisville, et al.
>
> It doesn't make sense to say that we have an advantage... Before we 
> had the advantage of being at the top of our league, the mid to bottom 
> of the league will not get better recruits than the top of the CUSA... 
> All the good ones will choose a Big East team that offers more.
>
> Also what "New 'physincilities' (I assume you mean facilities) Do we 
> have for Basketball? It's the same 13,000+ Multi purpose arena.
>
> What's tiresome is blind optimism, I'm interested in a solution as 
> well, but blind, ignore the facts optimism will not get us to a 
> solution
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: address@hidden
> [mailto:address@hidden On Behalf Of 
> address@hidden
> Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 12:20 PM
> To: address@hidden
> Subject: Re: [UC Basketball] Time Warner is not the problem
>
>
> In a message dated 9/28/2006 4:39:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
> address@hidden writes:
>
> It's going to be a lot more difficult to "rebuild" in the Big east 
> than it was in CUSA
>
>
> Disagree totally, new physicilities everywhere, one of the top 3 
> basketball conferences in the country, good, young, well respected 
> basketball coach that has proven for years he can recruit with anyone. 
> I think he did well this year with a couple weeks to work with. In the 
> next couple years he will bring in big time recruits.
> I hated what happened to Coach Huggins and thought for sure he would 
> get an opportunity to coach in the Big East but, much of the off court 
> problems (his and his players) were his responsibility. His removal 
> for image problems is not a surprise to many in the know. The die-hard 
> "we won't be sh--t without Huggins" and it's all Zimpher's fault is 
> very tiresome.
>
> Logan


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