Re: New Admissions Criteria

From: jon breiner
Date: 01 Feb 2006 - 05:41 PM EST

I agree about the useless folks who have a degree, but we are talking a significantly smaller percentage versus those who productively use their degrees. Also, many folks with a degree in CJ have no trouble finding a good job. They know where to look! :) We all have perceptions about certain degrees, I actually think CJ is better than some liberal arts degrees, but don't want to offend any colleagues so I'll keep those to myself. :)

Jon

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Brungs
To: address@hidden
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: [UC Basketball] New Admissions Criteria

..and as we know and are willing to admit, grad rates are very
deceiving. If a students degree turns out to be "useless" in terms
of gaining a career, why is that "graduation" somehow seen as an
asset of the university. Likewise, if a student can be seen as
an asset by a company prior to their graduation (early entry into
a career) why is that seen as a negative.

Also, not all degrees are created equal. Lets be honest, I dont
see a lot of job listings looking for people with criminal justice
degrees. I have no problem saying.. this guy is here, at THIS time,
to maximize his chances for a career in professional sports. When
he has gotten all he can from that career, we welcome him back to
pursue a career in some non-athletic area.

jon breiner <address@hidden> wrote:
I also agree, but one of the measuring sticks used in academic rankings is grad rates. Thus, do not expect the administration to agree with us any time soon! and while I accept the argument that college is not for everyone, nor is getting a degree, in a high percentage of cases, the degree does represent the ability to begin and complete a difficult task. And let's be blunt. If you are hiring someone for an entry level position within a company, their degree (or lack thereof) usually matters. The earning potential of those with degrees is significantly higher over a 40 year work lifetime than those without degrees. But that should not diminish the fact that there ARE exceptions.

Jon

----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Ryan
To: address@hidden
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: [UC Basketball] New Admissions Criteria

"I'm not one of those people think that the goal of college is to get a degree..
I believe it is to prepare you for a career. The two are not mutually exclusive,
but neither are the two dependent upon one another."

Ding, ding, ding!
You, sir, win the big prize!!

--
Mike Ryan

On 2/1/06, Mike Brungs <address@hidden> wrote:
I guess my question is this.. what is wrong with a university being a place
where the goal is to assist the person in becoming the best athlete that
they can be. For some, academic skills are their strong point and the
university will help them hone those skills for a career in medicine,
engineering, etc. For others, atheletics skills are their strong point and
the university could help them hone their skills for a pro career. Perhaps
that career will only be for a few years, but that person can maximize
those physical skills for as long as possible and then perhaps then come
back to the university to build skills for a second career.

Allow someone to major in basketball ? Is it really such a bad idea ?
In that case, does the ACT score really matter ?

I'm not one of those people think that the goal of college is to get a degree..
I believe it is to prepare you for a career. The two are not mutually exclusive,
but neither are the two dependent upon one another.

Bearcat Tom <address@hidden > wrote:
I'm all for raising the academic standards at UC. Honestly, I have thought
for a long time they were too low for the caliber of school. I seriously
doubt they will apply the same requirements to student athletes. ND,
Stanford, Duke all treat applications differently for scholarship athletes.

I'm all for getting the best student & best athlete but sometimes those 2
are mutually exclusive. It will be a balancing act for sure. e.g. Captain
of basketball team equates to a sign of leadership vs. just looking at a 20
ACT.

Tom

>From: Stephen Wuebker

>Reply-To: address@hidden
>To: address@hidden
>Subject: Re: [UC Basketball] New Admissions Criteria
>Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:32:56 -0500
>
>The valedictorian of my HS class was 6'4", had a 4.0 GPA and 31 ACT. I
>believe he was recruited for MIT's track team (he had the school record
>in the high jump) and ended playing some basketball for them too. He
>played pretty good from what I remember. (Ivy League is no match for Big
>East, but still)
>
>There are guys out there, just most of them don't want to play sports in
>college, or don't want or need to go to UC for a good degree. (Sorry, a
>mechanical engineering degree from MIT is way better than the same from UC)
>
>address@hidden wrote:
> > In a message dated 1/31/2006 3:33:54 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > address@hidden writes:
> >
> > a potential target in
> > 5 years being:
> >
> > Top 10% of high school class OR
> >
> > ACT >= 24 OR
> >
> > Top 50% of high school class AND ACT >= 22 AND HSGPA>= 2.7
> >
> > Well I know this isn't ever going to happen at UC but just putting it
> > down is a joke. Is there people at UC that are actually going along with
> > this? From the basketball side of it how many players would qualify?
> > That little 5 foot 2 guy with a book stuck up his butt that's who. Don

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bring words and photos together (easily) with
PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail.

References:
- Re: New Admissions Criteria
  - From: Mike Brungs

To subscribe, please follow the instructions here.