RE: soulee puzzle

[dfairchild]

Brad,

I in general agree with you.  I will be pleasantly surprised if Allen is
able to play many minutes this year.

One point that should be kept in mind, if I read the profile of Allen
correctly - Allen's minutes last year were limited because he was recovering
from an injury.

His past performance does not give provide much evidence he will be able to
make a significant contribution against stronger opponents.

Go Cats - I Support Coach Huggins : )

DF

-----Original Message-----
From: Brad Holdheide [mailto:address@hidden
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 7:24 AM
To: address@hidden
Subject: Re: [UC Basketball] soulee puzzle


"... but I beleive Allen was playing at a Div II school not necessarily due
to his
athletic ability, but more along the lines of attitude or academics."

If that was true he would've been starting and accumulating some nice stats.
But unfortunately he was a backup Center at an NAIA school averaging low
single digits in points and rebounds.  How anyone can think he'll suddenly
be a solid high D1 contributor is beyond me.

> > > address@hidden 11/2/2005 1:12 PM >>>
This is speculation, but what fun is a forum without some speculation... but
I beleive Allen was playing at a Div II school not necessarily due to his
athletic ability, but more along the lines of attitude or academics. I view
him as more a JUCO transfer than a walk-on. Hopefully, with all the
situations he's been through, any attitude issues have long since passed.

On 11/2/05, Madhusudhan Gurumurthy <address@hidden> wrote:
> I don't quite get it! When I first heard about a 6' 9'' transfer to UC
> (Allen) I was pretty excited because teh height departent has always been
> our achilles heel. But then the news that he was a division II player and
> that he may not be able to adjust to the highest level was a total damper.
>
> How come some of you still expect he'd contribute substantially? I dont
> mean to dispute you but would just like to know why you feel he can make a
> difference.
>
> Another long standing puzzle to me is that of Soulee! What has he been
> doing downing his scholarship money for 3 years now? In the few games he
was
> given minutes in the end, he was a total cropper at the rebounds. Guys
half
> his height were grabbing the ball better. In general , he looks
> lackadaisical and its been 3 yrs (i think) in UC. Add to this the 1 yr he
> spent somewhere in Pennsylvania. Now, how long does a player need to get
> accustomed to the "american" style of play?
>
> Heck! Look at manu ginobili, arroyo or nowitzki, all from outside the US.
> they clearly have different styles and are outstanding performers! Its an
> enigma to me that Soulee hasnt been given the boot after such
> non-performance and showing no promise of getting better.
>
> One more quick point : notice how rhondo took kentucky to a different
> level with his intelligent work as point guard last season - in his
freshman
> year? Whats to say downey may not be able to do that with his lightning
> speed?
>
> I'm just hoping to see a kick ass UC team full of fire this season. A
> finish in the top 5 would be an excelent one, top 6 would be good as well.
> but not 9. we're better than that!
>
> Madhu
>
> ---- Original message ----
> > Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 11:09:32 -0500
> > From: "Dan Marshall" <address@hidden>
> > Subject: RE: [UC Basketball] talking basketball
> > To: <address@hidden>
> >
> > I think he will be a difference maker... one way or
> > the other.
> >
> > He does have that BBall player Build, and his shot
> > looked good(in the 10 sec' he was on the news)
> >
> > I'm just really curious why he was where he was if
> > he was really skilled enough to play at this
> > level... (I know it's possible for sure... but
> > still)
> >
> > If anything at least he can take up some space, and
> > probably has more skills that Souly.
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------
> >
> > From: Brock Schweitzer
> > [mailto:address@hidden
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 3:42 PM
> > To: address@hidden
> > Subject: Re: [UC Basketball] talking basketball
> > I think one person everyone is going to overlook is
> > Allen. I just think he's got a lot of potential.
> > He has reasonable size and just looks like a ball
> > player. I don't know what his attitude is like, but
> > I would expect him to be very motivated following
> > all he's been through and to get an opportunity like
> > this would be a huge motivation.
> >
> > He's travelled (excuse the pun), and I think he's
> > got a lot to bring to the team. That being said,
> > he's banging against Hicks every day in practice,
> > which can only make you a better player. I haven't
> > seen any of the practices, so those who have seen
> > him practice can comment, but with Hicks being a
> > leader this year, I would imagine he'd want the
> > other big guys to produce and would certainly push
> > him.
> >
> > The odds of UC landing a big man after all that has
> > happened at the time it did almost seems like
> > destiny, so I'm going to keep a close eye on how
> > Allen performs, and I recommend everyone else do the
> > same.
> >
> > On 11/1/05, address@hidden <
> > address@hidden> wrote:
> >
> > I'll step up to the plate (sorry, free throw line)
> > on playing time at least:
> >
> > 20 minutes for Downey instead of 10, with that
> > time mostly coming from Tilford. I'm guessing
> > Downey is ready for the big time but Tilford
> > isn't. (I don't think the distinction between
> > point guard and 2 guard will be a big one this
> > year and expect whoever gets it will be pushing it
> > down court. I'd expect White, Moore, Kirkland or
> > Downey to be getting us into our half court
> > offense, depending on who's in the game and what
> > the defense is giving us.)
> >
> > 8 minutes for Herrera (I'm an optimist), with that
> > time coming from Coleman. Except when fouls (or
> > free throw percentages) cause a problem or against
> > the weaker teams on our schedule, I'd expect Coach
> > Kennedy would want to have two of the following
> > (Hicks, McGowan, Herrera and Allen) in the line-up
> > together. Coleman may be skilled, but muscle and
> > height in at least two players will be crucial in
> > the Big East.
> >
> > My sense is that this will be a breakout year for
> > Kirkland - he'll think less and play more
> > instinctively without Huggins' pressure on him,
> > but he'll still have those defensive skills
> > Huggins demanded.
> >
> > Despite the negativities and the uncertainties, I
> > think this year we'll surprise the forecasters who
> > have said 7th-9th in the Big East: the motivation
> > to do well to honor Huggins and the motivation to
> > do well in order to get a job (the seniors + the
> > coaches) or a transfer opportunity (the
> > non-seniors, if the new coach doesn't look
> > appealing) will be powerful factors. That said,
> > this would not have been an easy year for UC, even
> > with everybody back and all our recruits in place,
> > so expecting better than 4-6 in the Big East would
> > have been unrealistic...
> >
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >
> > > It's odd - people say they want to talk about
> > the team, basketball, the
> > > season, etc - but when I posted about this
> > years rotations - no one
> > > responded . . .
> > >
> > > Since I have to say it - the post was pretty
> > good - so I'm going to repost
> > > some of the info:
> > >
> > > The upcoming season 3 big questions and one
> > lingering one -
> > > BIG
> > > 1) Who will handle the point?
> > > 2) Who will get the 40 minutes at the 5
> > position?
> > > 3) How will a first year head coach do?
> > > Lingering
> > > 1) Will Kirkland play to his potential?
> > >
> > > The Bearcats do not nearly look as good as
> > they did last May - since then
> > > we've lost Vincent Banks, Roy Bright, Tyree
> > Evans, Ivan Johnson and coach
> > > Huggins!
> > >
> > > This years projected rotation -
> > > Point - White 15, Moore 10, Downey 10, Jihad 5
> > > 2 guard - Jihad 23, Kirkland 5, Tilford 12
> > > 3 forward - White 17, Kirkland 17, Coleman 6
> > > 4 forward - Hicks 20, Kirkland 10 Coleman 10
> > > 5 forward - McGowan 20, Hicks 12, Allen 8
> > (Herrera if he gets cleared will
> > > get at lease these 8 minutes)
> > >
> > > Hicks 32
> > > White 32
> > > Kirkland 32
> > > Muhammed 28
> > > McGowan 20
> > > Coleman 16
> > > Tilford 10
> > > Moore 10
> > > Downey 10
> > > Allen 8
> > >
> > > To be honest, I can't figure out the front
> > line - the above scenario assumes
> > > Kirkland will be willing to play in the four
> > spot - a huge assumption and it
> > > still remains to be seen if Kirkland can come
> > prepared to play every night.
> > > The other alternatives are to get more minutes
> > out of McGowan and Allen or
> > > Herrera if he gets cleared to play.
> > >
> > > For what it is worth - here's my last year's
> > prediction and (actual):
> > > Maxiell 33 (31)
> > > Hicks 32 (31)
> > > White 30 (29)
> > > Kirkland 30 (25)
> > > Moore 25 (15)
> > > Williams 20 (22)
> > > Muhammad 15 (26)
> > > Banks 5 (0)
> > > Bright 5 (14)
> > > Souleyman 5 (1)
> > > Lucas (12)
> > > Patswald (3)
> > > Meeker (2)
> > > Murray (2)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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