RE: Frustration and Communication

[Bearcat Tom]

I agree.

If you don't want to bee booed, hold your event by invitation only @ a hotel 
or something.  A free, open to the public event on Fountain Square - the 
most public of all places in the city and scene of many "protests" over the 
years...give me a break.

Tom

> From: "dfairchild" <address@hidden>
> Reply-To: address@hidden
> To: <address@hidden>,<address@hidden>
> Subject: RE: [UC Basketball] Frustration and Communication
> Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 18:27:34 -0400
>
> Regarding the booing of Nancy Z.  I cannot see how it is inappropriate 
> given
> the context.  The Big East Conference is an athletic association.  Those 
> who
> care anything about this affiliation are primarily fans of UC athletics.
> Granted there will be benefits to the university in general (additional
> exposure, increase in student applications and attendance, increased $$).
> In the context of athletics - booing is a regular, accepted behavior.
> Sitting close to the exit at the Shoe (5/3 arena) for opposing players and
> the officials - booing is polite.  A lot worst gets said and screamed.
> Huggins and company have experienced a lot worst on the road.
>
> To Nancy and co. - welcome to the realities of big time athletics.
>
> I support Bob Huggins!
> DF
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Marshall [mailto:address@hidden
> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 5:57 PM
> To: address@hidden
> Subject: RE: [UC Basketball] Frustration and Communication
>
>
> I admire huggins for staying.
>
> His loyalty to his players is what it's all about.
>
> I Put no blame on him, he's really done nothing but won. His only issue was
> his DUI, and he paid his price for it.  But beyond that he has done FAR 
> more
> good than bad.  And to not let him go out on his ownterms is an injustice.
> Also the way it's been handled is only an example of things to come...
> Obviously this admin doesn't know how to handle things... And that is a
> bigger concern for the university than Huggins issues.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: juckerrules [mailto:address@hidden
> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 4:37 PM
> To: address@hidden
> Subject: Re: [UC Basketball] Frustration and Communication
>
> I'm thinking it's a "nobody blinked" kind of thing.
> Huggins can't seriously want to just finish out his contract - he'll only
> succeed in assuring the program is down for some time to come - he's 
> already
> losing out on quality recruits because of his two years and out contract
> (see Jason Bennett).  Do you think he'll attract quality recruits during 
> his
> last season?
>
> I still think Huggins' position is untenable - if he really cares about the
> team, he'll leave.  Nancy Zimpher cares about the University as a whole -
> she's willing to let the B-ball program suffer for a while to  establish a
> new order that meshes with the image she wants the University to project as
> a whole.  She is not going to cave and extend Huggins' contract.  If nobody
> blinks, the team suffers more than if Huggins leaves sooner - he'll lose
> potential players and he'll still be gone anyway in two years - I've always
> preferred that my pain and suffering be short; I'd rather cut my hand off
> with a sharp cleaver than have it gnawed off by rats - Huggins will be
> gnawed to the bone before this is over.
>
> --- address@hidden wrote:
>
> > My second day on the forum and I'm back again, encouraged by the
> > responses from Adam and Myles and Bearcat Tom and Dan and Brent.  And,
> > yes, I do remember that UC-UNC game, Adam, and I was rooting for the
> > Bearcats all the way!
> >
> > I totally agree with the frustration and understand that booing is a
> > response to it.  And certainly I wish someone would tell us what's
> > going on (although I'm not sure I agree that we have a right to know
> > -- just a strong desire).  I don't know whether we would agree or
> > disagree, but at least we'd be making our points based on information,
> > not rumors and stereotypes.
> >
> > When I got to thinking about my impression that almost no information
> > has been shared, I went back to previous postings and also did a
> > Google News search to find out what has been reported publicly either
> > from President Zimpher or Coach Huggins.  And I didn't find much
> > except speculation.  The university has said almost nothing, and all
> > we know publicly from Coach Huggins is what he said at his press
> > conference.
> >
> > To summarize:  Coach H had a 4-year contract with a rollover clause
> > that he lost as a result of his DUI last year.  That made the length
> > of his contract 3 years in '04-05.  President Z said she wouldn't
> > discuss H's contract until after the recruiting season was over (which
> > seems like bad timing, but maybe that's something they agreed to when
> > H came back from his suspension?)  When they did talk, at least
> > according to the press, Z chose not to extend the contract beyond the
> > two years left on it.  She also chose not to hold a press conference
> > about it.
> > At the same time, H chose not to take the buyout in his contract,
> > decided to stay, and decided to announce it in a press conference.
> >
> > I can make all kinds of assumptions about the reasons Z and H made the
> > decisions they did, but the only published statements I can find
> > suggest that Z didn't extend the contract because (a) she wasn't
> > satisfied that there was enough improvement in behavior/image this
> > year to justify doing so and/or
> > (b) she didn't want to tie the hands of a new AD and wasn't extending
> > any coach's contracts.  And H announced that he intended to stay
> > because he felt a strong sense of loyalty to his players, coaches, the
> > university, and the city.
> >
> > Have I missed something that one of them said?  Have others on the
> > board heard what he's telling recruits about his expectations?  Has
> > either one spoken in interviews with the press or in meetings with
> > alumni or UCATS or someone else about what's going on?
> >
> > The next question:  If President Zimpher, the Trustees, the Athletic
> > Director, Coach Huggins, and his agent aren't talking, why might that
> > be?  (I assume that the correct answer isn't that they all enjoy
> > frustrating us!)  All of them are pretty smart people and politically
> > savvy or they wouldn't have gotten where they are; so I assume that
> > they think the frustration this has caused is preferable to speaking
> > out - even though we know the situation has to be a distraction for
> > President Z in her focus on improving the university and its image and
> > we know the situation deosn't help Coach Huggins with his recruiting.
> >
> > So I'm stumped.  What do other Forum members know or think are the
> > possible reasons that no one is talking?  (I'm not looking for a David
> > Letterman list here, although that might be fun, but instead I wonder
> > if they're still negotiating, or if it's a matter of personnel law, or
> > if it's wait for a new Ad, or ????)
>
>
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