RE: scholarships & 5/8 rule

[Shinkle, Randy]

For anyone who thinks it's possible to gain additional scholarships in
basketball by "moving" players to other teams, here's what the NCAA
rules say:  According to by-law 15.5.7.1, if you play football and any
other sports, you count against the football team.  And according to
by-law 15.5.7.2, if you play basketball and any other sports (but not
football), you count against the basketball team.  These apply
regardless of what sport you were recruited to play.

For example, if Kareem Johnson is still on scholarship and is a member
of the football team this fall, he'll count against their scholarship
limit.  That would be true even if he still had remaining eligibility in
basketball.  Furthermore, since it's his first year on the football
team, Kareem will be an "initial counter," which means he'll be one of
the limit of 25 new scholarship players the football team is allowed
each year.

Randy '78



-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Macomber [mailto:address@hidden 
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 1:56 PM
To: address@hidden
Subject: Re: [UC Basketball] scholarships & 5/8 rule


I like the way it's broken down.  The most logical guess would seem that
if
Pilgrim is academically eligilible then he will take the last
scholarship.
When will his academic standing be known?  At the end of this quarter (1
more month)?

Without Pilgrim our inside game in '05-'06 would have only a SR. Hicks
and a
SO. Souleymane.  Is this a setup to get a bluechip interior player?
With
that thought it seems likely that Lofton is a victim of a numbers game
and
won't be here.  I would really hate to see someone "run off" now that
the
5/8 rule is gone - I don't want us to do the one thing that rule was
supposed to stop - especially right after the change - the media would
just
love that...

Other scenarios discussed could be Pilgrim just walking on, Lucas
"giving
up" his scholarship, Moore leaving for health/PT reasons (redshirt?), or
a
player (Whaley?) deciding to leave.  It would probably be too much to
ask
for White to go on a track scholarship...  Oh well, 5 and a half months
until Midnight Madness!

Jon

----- Original Message -----
From: "Shinkle, Randy" <address@hidden>
To: <address@hidden>
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 1:06 PM
Subject: RE: [UC Basketball] scholarships & 5/8 rule


Including Lucas, UC has 12 scholarships accounted for next year:

    Seniors:  Lucas, Maxiell, Whaley, Williams
    Juniors:  Hicks, Kirkland, Moore, Muhammad, White
    Sophomores:  (none)
    Freshmen:  Banks, Bright, Souleymane

That leaves just one available, for Lofton or Pilgrim or someone else,
unless one (or more) of the above gives up their scholarship (by
leaving, or whatever).  At this point, I have no idea what is most
likely to happen, although it's quite possible the last scholarship
won't be used at all.

Randy '78



-----Original Message-----
From: John Adams [mailto:address@hidden
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 11:32 AM
To: address@hidden
Subject: [UC Basketball] scholarships & 5/8 rule


When the 5/8 rule is officially past, how many scholarships
will we have left to give this year--2??  Am I wrong in assuming
that one will go to Pilgrim and the other hopefully to Chris
Loften?   Does anyone have a line on what Pilgrim is going
to do?