Re: UC new RPI rank, RPI Question

[Jon Macomber]

warrennolan.com is a nice site but uses a slightly different formula than
the others.

UC's opponents had a very good weekend, as only Miami, Clemson, and Xavier
lost - and all other non-conf. teams won - anchored by Elon's 112-108 3OT
win over NC Greensboro.  Plus 2 of our partner schools, UL and Depaul, won
and of course we beat the 3rd.  Plus we haven't played Memphis yet so their
loss didn't directly affect us.  Add it all up and it's a nice little jump.

As someone pointed out our SOS is saddled by the likes of Coppin St (260),
Oakland (227), Elon (233), So. Fla (213) + 4 other >150 RPI teams.

As Dean said, the RPI is just one factor - but one I like messing around
with.  To those wondering, no it doesn't take a whole lot of time to look at
these numbers, and to Don this is actually a nice break from the woman...

Jon M


----- Original Message -----
From: "Richmond, Dean" <address@hidden>
To: <address@hidden>; "Jay Larbes" <address@hidden>
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 9:08 AM
Subject: RE: [UC Basketball] UC new RPI rank, RPI Question


> You have to be careful... Not all RPIs are created equal! Some are much
more
> accurate than others. I had always used Jerry Palm's collegerpi.com until
he
> started charging for daily updates. I have nothing against him (as a
> capitalist myself, I support his right to charge for his services, but I
> have a right to refuse to pay), but he is really good. His predictions of
> the field of 65 have been very accurate in the past. For daily updates, I
> use Warren Nolan. Try Warrennolan.com.
>
> According to Warren Nolan, St. Joe's has a SOS of 41 and UC's is 52. By
the
> end of the regular season we will be nearly equal. You answered your own
> question because the SOS is a function of the entire season. St. Joe's has
> apparently played fewer really bad teams than we have. You also need to
look
> at the closeness of the team's rpi or SOS. Sometimes teams are bunched
> together and one game can really make a difference.
>
> Beware of rpi projections. There are just too many factors that can
> influence the final result. We have quite a bit of basketball yet to play
> before Selection Sunday.
>
> A few weeks ago some were posting about UC's schedule. I posted that it
> would comparable to Syracuse's schedule last year (they had a SOS of 47).
> Well, we will have a better SOS then Syracuse had last year. UC will end
the
> regular season with a SOS in the lower 40s. In addition, nobody will
finish
> the regular season with 7 tougher games than UC. I am not saying that the
> Cats will win the NC, but we can already see that this team is benefiting
> from some really good competition.
>
> We win on Saturday and hang another banner at The Shoe!
>
> Dean Richmond
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jay Larbes [mailto:address@hidden
> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 2:04 AM
> To: address@hidden; Jay Larbes
> Subject: [UC Basketball] UC new RPI rank, RPI Question
>
>
> First,
>
> Just to let everyone know who hasn't yet seen, UC jumped from #30 to #18
in
> the RPI after their victory over Charlotte yesterday!  That jump really
> surprised me.
>
> This leads me to my question.  I am beginning to seriously question the
> quality of the RPI.  Can someone explain to me how St. Joe's SOS is better
> than UC's?  They have played two teams with an RPI ranking below 40.  TWO.
> (Not that it matters for the RPI, but both of those were before Christmas:
> 11/14 against #11 Gonzaga and 12/09 against #26 Boston College)
>
> St. Joe's SOS = 31
> UC's SOS = 46
>
> # teams played in the top 50:
> St Joe's:  4
> UC:  8
>
> After looking further, UC has played 4 teams over 200 in the RPI, while
St.
> Joe's has played zero.  I guess that could explain it, but I think that
> playing high teams should weigh significantly more than weak opponents.
>
> Take it for what it's worth, just my 2AM rant ...
>
> - Jay