RE: A Future UC Schedule

From: Shinkle, Randy
Date: 07 Nov 2003 - 08:52 AM EST

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From: richard l. kandell [mailto:address@hidden
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 8:16 PM
To: address@hidden
Subject: Re: [UC Basketball] A Future UC Schedule

WOW! We haven't started this season, and Randy has schedules
worked out for
the season AFTER the NEXT one. :-)

I was mainly trying to make a case for playing everyone by showing how strong the schedule would be. I *really* don't like the idea of divisions and not playing some schools at all in a season. As it turns out, the Big East is moving from separate divisions to one this year (just like C-USA) for the second time in their history, so they should know as well as anyone that not playing everyone doesn't work well.

Richard K.

PS - I like the idea of a 16 game season, with a pair of
games with your
traveling partner, and I think that they should pair USF with ND. ;-)

I think a legitimate case can be made for doing exactly that, but I fully expect Notre Dame will get to pick their partner, and it won't be USF. Actually, I'm a bit worried that Notre Dame might pick DePaul, causing UC and Louisville to be split up, one with Marquette and one (probably UC) with USF.

On the other hand, Notre Dame will likely want an Eastern partner (Syracuse is the best fit, IMO) and someone else will probably volunteer to be paired with USF for the annual trip to Tampa.

Randy '78

----- Original Message -----
From: "Shinkle, Randy" <address@hidden>
To: "Bearcat Forum (E-mail)" <address@hidden>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 5:12 PM
Subject: [UC Basketball] A Future UC Schedule

It appears the new Big East will likely have everyone play
each other in
basketball every year, which I strongly prefer. Assuming
that's true, what
might UC's schedule look like in 2 years? Well, let's take a
look ....

We'll start by determining "travel partners" in the new Big
East. This is
an important step (IMO) because it helps control travel
costs. For example,
in some cases a team could fly into a major airport on
Friday, bus to a
nearby school for a Saturday game, return to the major city
for a cultural
activity on Sunday, play a Monday night game (perhaps a "Big Monday"
national telecast), and then fly home from the same airport.
This allows
the school to purchase round-trip tickets with Saturday stay-overs.

Some of the travel pairings are fairly obvious, due to
rivalries and/or the
proximity of the schools, such as:

Cincinnati & Louisville (fly into either, bus to/from the other)
DePaul & Marquette (ditto)
Pittsburgh & West Virginia (fly into Pittsburgh, bus
to/from Morgantown)
Connecticut & Providence (fly into Providence, bus to/from Storrs)

The rest isn't quite as obvious, with 5 schools fairly close
between New
York City and Washington, and the final 3 being "outliers" to varying
degrees. Here's where other considerations may enter the
picture, such as
Notre Dame and Syracuse being the only private schools in the
new Big East
with 1A football teams. Several possibilities exist, so for sake of
argument let's pick this one:

Georgetown & Villanova (again, fly into either, bus
to/from the other)
St. John's & Seton Hall (fly into any of the NY metro airports)
Notre Dame & Syracuse (all air travel)
Rutgers & South Florida (ditto, but what can you do with
South Florida?)

If the conference schedule is the popular 16 games, then you play your
travel partner twice and everyone else once. However, to
balance the number
of home and away games, you have to pick one of the other
travel pairs to
play one at home and one on the road, so proximity becomes a
factor again.
With this in mind, consider these 4 "quads" for scheduling purposes:

Cincinnati & Louisville / DePaul & Marquette
Pittsburgh & West Virginia / Georgetown & Villanova
Connecticut & Providence / Notre Dame & Syracuse
St. John's & Seton Hall / Rutgers & South Florida

There are several points in support of this breakdown:
- Bus travel is possible within the quads in several cases.
- Notre Dame is grouped with 2 schools (Connecticut and
Syracuse) that
they have expressed a particular preference for competing
against in various
sports.
- UC is grouped with their familiar C-USA rivals, and
some other natural
rivalries (e.g., Rutgers and Seton Hall) are preserved as well.
- The schedule is such that Rutgers and South Florida aren't more
overwhelmed than necessary.
- Each quad happens to contain 2 football schools and 2
non-football
schools, which "integrates" the league in a way many seem to prefer.

But the biggest point is that this becomes the basis for an 18 game
schedule, which I also strongly prefer. The TV folks will
have multiple
games between UC, Louisville and Marquette, and between
UConn, Notre Dame
and Syracuse, to choose from, and every possible matchup will
be available
for those years when, say, DePaul or Seton Hall look to be especially
strong.

OK, so now let's look at UC's potential 16 game conference schedule:

Home: Louisville, DePaul, Pittsburgh, West Virginia, Notre Dame,
Syracuse, St. John's, Seton Hall
Away: Louisville, Marquette, Georgetown, Villanova, Connecticut,
Providence, Rutgers, South Florida

If it's an 18 game schedule, add Marquette at home and DePaul
on the road.
Clearly, there's a *lot* to like here. Now let's add some
non-conference
games:

Home: Memphis, Dayton, 4 "guarantee" games
Away: Xavier, Wake Forest, a neutral court game or
"exempt" tournament

The following year, all the home and away games switch.
Memphis and Xavier
would remain on the schedule every year, but the others may
not. This calls
for 15 home games, one short of what UC has scheduled the
last few years,
but maybe that's OK given the strength of this schedule. The
only way I can
see this improving is if Kentucky and/or Ohio State could be
added somehow.

The bad news is, UC will easily be able to raise their ticket
prices and
UCATS fees. But I doubt you'll hear much complaining.

Randy '78

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