Re: Louisville a lock for Big East if...

[Brian Johnson]

I have heard something to the effect that the
basketball schools are charter members of the BE, and
therefore "own" the Big East name, and therefore the
rights to the BCS bowl bid.  Since they do not play
football, it really makes no sense, but that's what I
have heard.

Given the failure of the bloated WAC, I can only
assume there is a planned spinoff of the basketballers
in the works.
--- "richard l. kandell" <address@hidden>
wrote:
> One of the things that I am having difficulty with,
> assuming this whole
> thing goes forward (there is some word that UVa has
> joined UNC and Duke in
> opposition to expansion, at least temporarily, and,
> as a result, the ACC
> vote is being delayed) is why the need in the BE to
> have 2 groupings of 8
> schools each, one with football and the other
> without.  You don't need it
> for basketball, and it has the potential for making
> the scheduling of
> "non-revenue" sports a nightmare.  Why don't you
> have just 9 or 12
> all-sports schools, and let the hoops only schools
> go their own way?  Is it
> because Dave Gavitt has suggested that approach?  Is
> it because one of the
> reasons the Big East was originally founded was
> because some of the eastern
> catholic colleges, especially those in the big city
> areas, needed a
> conference to try to keep local talent at home, so
> there is some need to
> keep them happy - especially in Gavitt's view, as
> that is his background?
>
> Richard K.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Shinkle, Randy" <address@hidden>
> To: <address@hidden>
> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 12:02 PM
> Subject: RE: [UC Basketball] Louisville a lock for
> Big East if...
>
>
> Brett,
>
> My initial reaction is similar to yours, but after a
> bit of reflection, I'm
> not quite so concerned.  See below for further
> comments.
>
> Randy '78
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Brett Pappas [mailto:address@hidden
> > Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 9:47 AM
> > To: address@hidden
> > Subject: RE: [UC Basketball] Louisville a lock for
> Big East if...
> > Can you imagine if the Big East took Louisville,
> Central Florida and
> > East Carolina for the football side and then took
> Marquette and Xavier
> > to fill out the basketball only side of their
> proposed 16 team
> > conference?
> >
> > What would UC do then? The thought of Xavier being
> in the Big
> > East while
> > we are left in a pathetic conference of leftovers
> for football and
> > basketball would be a nightmare.
>
>
> Well, let's look at the C-USA that would be left:
>
>     Army (football only)
>     Charlotte (non-football)
>     Cincinnati
>     DePaul (non-football)
>     Houston
>     Memphis
>     Saint Louis (non-football)
>     South Florida
>     Southern Miss
>     TCU
>     Tulane
>     UAB
>
>     Totals:  9 football, 11 basketball
>
> You're right, that doesn't look so great for
> basketball, but the football
> wouldn't be too bad.  Basketball would be helped a
> lot if Charlotte, DePaul,
> Houston and UAB could get back to being regular NCAA
> candidates.  Also, look
> at what could happen if the conference were to add,
> say, Temple:
>
> New C-USA North:
>
>     Charlotte
>     Cincinnati
>     DePaul
>     Memphis
>     Saint Louis
>     Temple
>
> New C-USA South:
>
>     Houston
>     South Florida
>     Southern Miss
>     TCU
>     Tulane
>     UAB
>
> No, it's not as intriguing as the expanded Big East,
> but it's tolerable.
> When you consider the real possibility that the Big
> East would subsequently
> split (a la the WAC) and the football side would
> want to get to 12, then UC
> is right back in the mix and the above is only
> temporary.
>
> And I couldn't possibly care less what conference
> Xavier is in.  They will
> always be Xavier, and UC will always be UC.
>
>
> > Before you say there is no way they take ECU and
> UCF ahead of us you
> > need to realize that according to this story, it
> will be the
> > 5 remaining
> > football schools deciding which all sports teams
> to take. UCF
> > would be a
> > good choice if they want to keep a florida school
> that has promise in
> > football and ECU would be a toss up when factoring
> in their proximity
> > and success in football.
>
>
> My suspicion is that the choice is really either (a)
> UC and ECU or (b) the 2
> Florida schools.  If only 1 Florida school is taken,
> they become a real
> loner, and look what has happened with Miami in that
> role.  If the Big East
> really wants to preserve a Florida connection (for
> recruiting, access to
> bowls, etc.), then they need to take both.  But, by
> doing so, they're
> betting on "potential" in a big way, because up to
> now UC and ECU combined
> are significantly better across the board in *every*
> sport, including
> football.
>
> If the choice is UC and ECU, there are sensible
> travel partners:
>     Cincinnati / Louisville
>     Connecticut / Rutgers
>     East Carolina / Virginia Tech
>     Pittsburgh / West Virginia
> If it's UCF and USF, Louisville becomes paired with
> Virginia Tech, which is
> a stretch.
>
>
> > Who would VaTech want? If you are WVA or Pitt, is
> it a
> > positive to have
> > UC join (rivalry) or a negative (recruiting).
>
>
> I really think the recruiting angle is overblown. 
> Lots of schools recruit
> Florida without having a conference member there.  I
> believe access to the
> bowls in Orlando and Tampa is the greater concern. 
> Outside of that, I can't
> think of *any* reason why *all* the Big East schools
> wouldn't prefer UC.
>
>
> > I am not saying that I believe we are on the
> outside looking
> > in, in fact
> > I would give us the edge. I just don't think we
> are a sure thing.
> > --Brett
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Wedinger, Keith
> [mailto:address@hidden
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