Re: Bobbitt Quits?

[Chris Sorge]

That's fine, but.........

Can we compare the styles of the top twenty five pg's?  I would be willing
to bet that those, that are not as highly rated as Barker, score more, and
create easier shots for their teammates, that is thier job after all isnt
it?

Really, doesn't Taron just stand at the top of the circle and pass to Field
when he comes off a screen?  I will be very interested to see how Taron
handles a real pressing defense tonight (if that is indeed what UL uses
against us), and see how many if any turnovers he has.   I would venture to
say that players who lead in that catagory (assist to turnover) play for
teams that either do not score a lot, or they do basically what Taron does,
which isn't much.  ;-)

Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: "jon breiner" <address@hidden>
To: <address@hidden>
Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 2:15 PM
Subject: Re: [UC Basketball] Bobbitt Quits?


> Predicting that stats would progress in a linear fashion is a dangerous
> argument that rarely if ever comes to fruition, so I will definitely
> take it with a grain of salt.
>
> But if you were to give me that PG, I would take him.
>
> Lance did a study of the top 35 teams in the RPI and looked at the
> assist to TO ratio of the PG's and only one was better than Barker, the
> guy from Georgia.  There are neough stats to make many different
> arguments!  :)
>
> jon b
>
> Chris Sorge wrote:
>
> > I have been doing a little bit of stat comparison just for the heck of it
> > this afternoon....
> >
> > What if I told you I could give you a point guard, who handles the ball
> > better then Taron, drives to the basket, and creates shots for his
> > teammates.  He averages twice as many points, slightly fewer rebounds,
but
> > more assists, 3 times as many steals, 3 times as many blocks, but not
quite
> > as tenacious on the ball defender (even though he should be guarding
point
> > guards which USUALLY are not the primary threat)  what would you say?
Then
> > what if I told you this person is already on the team?  Finally, what
would
> > you think, that of the 5 losses this season, during that span this person
> > has averaged 2.8 min/game?  Or 7 mins/game during the last two losses.
> >
> > This information is based off of the minutes that the starting point
guard
> > gets...so take actual final stats with a small grain of salt.
> > Coincidentally, over the past 5 game stretch where we have gradually been
> > going down hill, this player has averaged about 8 mins per game.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "jon breiner" <address@hidden>
> > To: <address@hidden>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 1:14 PM
> > Subject: Re: [UC Basketball] Bobbitt Quits?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Sure.  First of all, I think it explains why Barker plays and why Hicks
> > > does not.  Barker is probably one of the biggest efoort guys on the team
> > > and knows what he is doing offensively and defensively.  He may be
> > > limited in some terms (driving to the basket for example although he is
> > > improving here), but he makes very few mistakes in Huggin's schemes.  I
> > > am not sold on Hick's efforts or knowledge of the schemes, but would
> > > like to see him get more playing time than Hollman and Johnson purely
> > > based on potential.  As for Hollman and Johnson, they have the advantage
> > > of "taking chemistry" in a year where students who play their position
> > > are few and far between.  As I said in a post awhile ago, I think Hicks
> > > should play because if Hollman and Johnson neither one will produce
> > > offensively or play defense or rebound, that I believed Hicks could
> > > "out-stat " them and be a comparable liability.
> > >
> > > Personally, I have the advantage of holding all my students up against
> > > all others to ever "play" in my classroom.  My curve is set year in and
> > > year out.  If I get 10 A's one quarter and none the next, that is ok.  I
> > > know what an A is and I do not give it to someone just because I feel
> > > the need to give "x" number per year.  If Donald Little was here, this
> > > would be a moot (not mute!!!) point because Hollman and Johnson and
> > > Hicks would be fighting for minutes backing up him and Maxiell.
> > >
> > > jon b
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Chris Sorge wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > That is a good analogy Jon, and I agree with your determination.
> > However,
> >
> >
> > > > can you apply this to Johnson, Hollman, Hicks, and Barker?
> > > >
> > > > Chris
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "jon breiner" <address@hidden>
> > > > To: <address@hidden>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 11:27 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [UC Basketball] Bobbitt Quits?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Allow me to try an analogy.  One of my students studies as much or
more
> > > > > than any student.  There is effort there, but he never learns how to
> > > > > actually do anything.  Sure he is capable of the basic skills, can do
> > > > > some of the math, knows the periodic table, but cannot seem to put a
> > > > > series of the skills together.  When put in a group project, the
student
> > > > > wants to do well, and tries harder than some of the others, but ends
up
> > > > > bringing the rest of the group down due to the failure to execute in
> > > > > thiss setting.  Occassionally this student shows a spark, has done
well
> > > > > on a few quizzes, but mostly just barely passes the exams.
> > > > >
> > > > > What grade should this student get?  Is the grade a reward or earned?
> > > > >
> > > > > I think this anaolgy applies because while I think Bobbitt gives a lot
> > > > > of effort, it is often misplaced.  Using the effort to understand
> > > > > positioning on the offensive and defensive end is important in
Huggin's
> > > > > schemes.  While Bobbitt has shown basic skills, I have rarely seen him
> > > > > string together the skills in a team setting.  With that said, I have
> > > > > called for him to receive more playing time in the hope that it would
> > > > > make a difference, but trying hard physcially, and trying hard
> > > > > physically while being mentally perpared to play a team game are
> > > > > disctinctly different IMHO.
> > > > >
> > > > > Looking at it from a player's perspective, I have yet to meet the
player
> > > > > who thinks they do not deserve more playing time.  That will never
> > > > > change.  And Huggins has not changed, he is very clear on what needs
to
> > > > > be done.  Some players come and ask him "what needs to be done" and he
> > > > > tells them what they need to change in order to get more playing time.
> > > > > Maybe Bobbitt did this, I do not know.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > jon b
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Chris Sorge wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Look, think about this from a players perspective, and stop thinking
> > > > about
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > it as a fan who wants their team to win.  Bobbit is not from
> > Cincinnati,
> >
> >
> > > > > >
> > > > he
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > probably does not have a great understanding of what this team means
to
> > > > > >
> > > > this
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > city (only consistent winning program).  What he does know, is that
he
> > > > > >
> > > > came
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > in, surely, busted his ass more then he ever has before, is one of
the
> > > > > >
> > > > few
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > players on the team with heart and emotion, and consistently cheering
> > his
> >
> >
> > > > > > team on from the bench.  Only to average 8 minutes a game since the
TCU
> > > > > > game?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Plus he sees a very capable player that plays his position, that has
> > > > been
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > on the team for 3 years in front of him for the next two seasons.
Why
> > > > > >
> > is
> >
> >
> > > > > > this worth it?   They aren't going to win the National Championship,
> > heck
> >
> >
> > > > > > they aren't even going to win the C-USA title for a couple years.
How
> > > > > >
> > > > does
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > this player get rewarded for his hard work and effort?  I have no
doubt
> > > > > >
> > > > he
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > works hard, because he is one of the first players off the bench,
sure
> > > > > >
> > he
> >
> >
> > > > > > makes stupid mistakes, but that doesn't mean he isn't trying...Where
is
> > > > > >
> > > > the
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > reward, or the light at the end of the tunnel?  Field has still been
in
> > > > > >
> > > > the
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > program for 3 years, and won't be going anywhere while Bobbit is/was
> > > > here.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > Chris