Re: Bad Press

[Christopher Dague]

Hal,

We can agree to disagree then...you have no logic
in your argument.  I agree that all the incidents
AT UC reflect poorly on the university and even
an arrest is bad (even when there is no conviction).
I agree that just because other schools are having
similar problems (which are not pointed out so
frequently in the press) that the problem still
exists and needs fixed.  I agree that graduation
rates are an issue that needs addressed (and I 
believe has been).  But I do not see ANY justification
for the argument that what a player does in the
NBA is a result or a reflection of any kind on
the university.  Sure its great when these players
have accomplishment ON THE COURT and we can say
they played at UC.  But it is not logical to say
that what they do off the court is a result of their
time spent at UC.  Maybe Huggins has taught them to
be thugs, punch people on the court, etc...but to
suggest this is indefensible since you do not know
for sure.  None of these players exhibited this type
of behavior while at UC and its also amazing that 
many of them that exhibited poor behavior (one incident
or two) while at UC have "cleaned up their act" and
have not committed similar acts since leaving UC.

CD '96

Hal Henderson wrote:
> Nonsense.  Words have meanings.  "Reflect" means reflect.  "Taught" means
> taught.
>
> Hal ('68)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Christopher Dague" <address@hidden>
> To: <address@hidden>
> Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 2:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [UC Basketball] Bad Press
>
> > Their player development was a result of UC.  But UC
> > cannot police them once they leave the university.  By
> > implying that this reflects on UC, you are essentially
> > claiming that UC taught them to be thugs...many of these
> > players had a clean slate while at UC...
> >
> > This would be the same as saying that an employee reflects
> > poorly on his/her former employer or on their school if
> > they had a behavior problem post-graduation or post-employment.
> > It is logic to say that a person gained valuable knowledge
> > or experience from their school/employer, but not necessarily
> > a valid conclusion that their persona was altered also.
> >
> > CD '96
> >
> > Hal Henderson wrote:
> > > Of course what Fortson, Martin, and Van Exel do in the NBA reflects on
> UC.
> > > This is why we all pore over the stats in the morning paper to see how
> they
> > > and the other former UC players did the night before.
> > >
> > > We can't proudly proclaim their unique individual NBA accomplishments
> > > without simulaneously accepting the same sort of "ownership" of the
> rest.
> > > I am proud Oscar Robertson attended my university.  Part of my pride
> derives
> > > from his accomplishments in the NBA.  At the end of the day, I hope to
> be
> > > able to say the same of Fortson, Martin, and Van Exel.
> > >
> > > Hal ('68)
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Christopher Dague" <address@hidden>
> > > To: <address@hidden>
> > > Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 1:09 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [UC Basketball] Bad Press
> > >
> > > > Also, what these players do in the NBA is no reflection on UC as
> > > > a program.  I have no idea why Fortson or Martin have gotten so
> > > > many flagrant fouls, but this did not happen at all during their
> > > > career at UC.  Why Van Exel is always so disgruntled also has
> > > > nothing to do with UC.
> > > >
> > > > CD '96
> > > >
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